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good evening, thanks for joining us. we begin with people that call the operation known as trump university a fraudulent scheme and total lie, not the alleged victims who are suing in federal court, these are former staffers giving sworn statements in the case, describing giving some of the most financially vulnerable people imaginable the kind of aim for their last dollar. as you know, we have been covering this since january, and the impact on the campaign. we got late reaction from the trump campaign and hillary clinton. here's a bit of what she said on the campaign trail. >> this is just more evidence that donald trump himself is a fraud. he is trying to scam america the way he scammed all those people at trump u.
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>> that's not all she said. we will have more of that in a bit. first, the developments from drew griffin, keeping them honest. >> reporter: donald trump preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money. that's the declaration of the salesperson from trump university. october 2006 to may of 2007. that is when he quit. because i believe that trump university was engaging in misleading, fraudulent and dishonest conduct.
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schnackenberg cites of a couple he thought couldn't afford the $35,000 elite program he was supposed to tell them because of their precarious financial condition. he refuse to make the sale and was reprimanded by trump university. then he stood bias another salesperson talked them into buying the $35,000 seminar. i was disgusted, he wrote. connie summer, connie summer, a sales event manager for six months at the school said instructors used high pressure sales techniques, no matter the financial situation of the students. i recall that some consumers showed up who were homeless and could not afford the seminar, she writes. yet i overheard trump university representatives telling them it's okay, just max out your credit card. the declarations are part of an on-going class action lawsuit, one of three saying it was a fraud. trump's defense so far, declarations will be disputed in court and on the campaign trail trump holds high approval ratings for his school while individually attacking his former students who have sued him.
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>> you have >> so we have 10,000 surveys from former students giving trump university rave reviews. so you have this guy bob gee, he appeared in attack ads, even though he rated the program five, a top mark across the board. >> this is bob gee. >> it was a scam from the start. >> reporter: he says he was suckered into a $35,000 worthless trump university real estate course by a motivational speaker, and yes at that moment he did give the instructor a five out of five. >> the reason we did that is that every one of the retreats, the instructions would say your certificate of accomplishments are waiting in the back of the room, you first have to fill out a questionnaire. and guys, i want donald trump to invite me back to new york to teach more of these retreats, so please be kind. give me the highest rating possible. >> reporter: wolf, we have been did you think it would get this nasty? >> you think of a guy like me, why not be nasty. what can i do to donald trump?
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>> this is the first time we are seeing from donald trump's own employees who were part of this alleged university. >> right. we asked the trump campaign and trump organization about it. it was the organization that got back to us, that's what the lawsuit is targeting. basically the response was the declarations were lies. here's what the spokesperson said. declaration testimony of the former employees was recanted or completely discredited at their depositions during the court case, but we're going to have to take their word for it because the spokesperson said we will not be releasing the deposition transcripts from this case. they're saying under oath those people recanted what they did and there's no proof. >> are those people willing to come forward? >> we have been trying to track them down. they have moved on, we have been able to track them, but we will continue looking. >> and we are joined by political anchor errol lewis, "the new york times"
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correspondent maggie hagerman, cnn analyst, gloria borger, and kayleigh mcenany, and harold so the meyer. you heard drew's report. the judge in the case who trump has criticized resealed some documents he ordered unsealed. there was some information that should have been redacted and wasn't. is that common in a case like this? it gives trump more fuel for criticism against the judge i would think. >> it certainly is a mistake by the judge. when judges unseal material like they did, like the judge in this case, they often try to redact phone numbers, e-mail addresses, those sorts of identifying
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information. that apparently is what the mistake was. not all of that identifying information was correctly redacted, so he pulled it back to try to do that correctly. it is actually fairly common when unceiling takes place but it is certainly a mistake, doesn't go to the facts of the case but it is grounds for criticism for the judge. >> gloria borger, this is clearly an issue hillary clinton feels she has traction on. >> sure, she's using it as attack on donald trump's
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character. presidential campaigns are often about character. the votes for president are personal votes. this is the person would send your child to war potentially so what she's saying is this is a man who can't be trusted. the problem hillary clinton has making these charges is her trust numbers are so low, so she can attack donald trump on temperament, because his temperament numbers are really low but she does have difficulty in this because people don't trust her. >> maggie, she attacks him as a con, he attacks her as crooked. what about the missing e-mails. >> he barely talks about the e-mails, you don't hear a long diatribe, you heard him say more about plaintiffs in this case reading from the stage at a rally because he is so used to pulling in his critics and targeting them at his own
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events. the problem is that a lot of media coverage around this is now negative. he doesn't see that. in terms of what hillary clinton is saying, i think what she's doing, she's trying to poke at the main issue he does better than her on which is the economy. his sell is i'm a businessman and i can fix it, she's trying to say whatever things he is proposing is not true, not dissimilar to what they did to mitt romney in 2012. a lot of testimony that was unsealed, whatever they were, depositions, were similar in nature to what you heard former
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employees who were involved with the private equity firm that mitt romney ran in 2012 saying i am confident you'll hear the ads, people that support trump say it is not typical, a lot of businesses are run that way. voters aren't prone to hear it that way. >> unlike mitt romney, donald trump is a known quantity in many voters' minds, whether it is an accurate perception or not. whereas mitt romney it was
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easier to define him because he was undefined. >> that's true, after years of reality tv, in the room with the high back chair, appearing as the boss, i think what hillary clinton is trying to do is put something in voters' minds so coming down the home stretch, one of the key questions they ask in weeks before the election, so and so, the candidate, does he care about somebody like me, and say well, you may like him, you may respect him, like his stance on immigration, does he care about something like you, maybe not so much. that's kind of the argument she's making. also, she's not the first, not outfront with this, not the
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first to bring up trump university, and these are serious charges, not just the former students that felt defrauded, but in new york the state attorney general is suing him personally, that plus the news organizations adds a different credibility to the charges, not just a back and forth about well, i've got problems and you've got problems and we're calling each other names, those are credible source. >> this isn't the first time it was brought up, it was brought up in the primary. >> i am not concerned, you make a good point, he is a relatively defined brand, people know him as someone with 300 companies, employed 250,000 through his career. we are talking one company and a few students felt they didn't get what they signed up for. meanwhile, you have 19,478 pages, nearly 20,000 pages of reviews that are positive saying this seminar, my only complaint is it gave me too much information, i was overwhelmed. maybe less information is better than more, that's the critiques in those pages. he can easily rebut the accusations and i think he will
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talking about the political impact of the trump university lawsuit on the presidential race that remains to be seen, 159 days until voters make their choice. what is clear, hillary clinton believes it does carry weight with the voters, so today she has been hitting it hard, first on twitter then on the campaign trail. here's more of what she said today. >> it's important that we recognize what he has done, because that's usually a pretty good indicator of what he will do. and on issue after issue we see someone who is unqualified and unfit to be president of the united states. >> and back with the panel, tara, we haven't heard from you.
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do you think trump is vulnerable? he will say hillary clinton has e-mail issues and is just deflecting. >> yeah, that's the problem, that hillary clinton as the messenger makes it problematic, she has a litany of her own problems in credibility and not being trustworthy and the clinton foundation and all of the shadiness there, but that doesn't take away from the facts of trump university. that is something that can have an impact because there's a human cost, said it many times, for months. the only way to get people to relate to it, show real people affected by it. this is more than a few people, 2,000 asked for refunds before classes were over when taking this, on top of multitude of lawsuits against trump university after 2010, which is partially why it shut down. you have the attorney general in new york, you have the case out in california. the testimonials, many people, and drew alluded to this, he got one on camera, many said they
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were pressured to do it, threatened to not graduate, trump wouldn't come back. testimonials were done under duress if you want to say that, and he said in the advertising, donald trump would hand pick the instructors. he signed off on all of those advertising, marketing tools that were deceptive, part of the fraud. that matters. >> kayleigh, he said he handpicked the professors or adjunct professors and people that worked at the university that is not the case. # >> that's one thing he is vulnerable on, if he said he picked the instructors, he should have had a bigger role in that. that said, negative reviews, going into debt, every student in america could have a claim
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against the college for not being satisfied. in the documents, first of all you get more real world experience learning about real estate than philosophy at some colleges. it said they do not guarantee earnings, every instructor is barred from saying you make a certain level of earnings or success coming out of this. where does self responsibility come in? >> have you been in a marketing scheme seminar? been to one of those where people sell you, they prey on vulnerable people that want to be millionaires. if you sat, most of us have been to one, it is a way to prey on vulnerable people. look at people like donald trump and say yes, me, too. depositions under oath, people that worked for trump said it was a scam, that it was a lie. they felt horrible about scamming people out of money. >> have you looked at hours and hours of course work, if you bought the top tier, a trump representatives came in -- >> which representative. >> there are lots of videos on youtube of people that had glowing experiences.
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>> people friends with donald trump? >> let's bring in charles. >> professional testimonials. come on. >> obviously clinton will continue this. to the point we made before, during the primaries, didn't have an impact. rubio tried it and others tried. >> i think it does have impact. i don't think clinton is as vulnerable as others think she is on the panel. the thing is misjudgments don't effect your kids, people like you. the problem with this kind of story is the same thing happened with mitt romney and with the swift boats and john kerry, when you have other people, individual people who say they feel hurt, aggrieved by someone who is powerful, we're kind of societally predisposed to side with the powerless over the
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powerful, to give them the benefit of the doubt. that's the part that creates a motif of david and goliath that's a problem for any candidate if this is the sort of thing they have to face. if you're facing off some clash of the titans between power interests, trump and the media, candidacy, we look at that, this is powerful people playing out on a powerful field. when you look at someone who's poor, who is elderly, someone is selling them to go downstairs and call in the credit card and tell them to raise the limit, to max it out to pay for a program that they didn't feel they got the short end of the stick, we as society look at those people and have sympathy for them. >> kayleigh, do you worry when you read documents, talking about maxing out credit cards and hard sales pitches, does that raise concerns for you? >> no, there are billions of dollars where college students go to universities, shook down
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by liberal colleges for money and leave in debt without jobs. that's one of the worst things happening in this country now, not trump university. this is one portion of a 300 company enterprise that donald trump runs. you want to talk personal victims, i agree with charles, that's powerful. what about the families of people killed in benghazi? >> i don't know why you would do that, that's legitimate in nature, if i go to a college course, i don't expect the instructor try to sell me a better major, pay more money for it, say go downstairs in the student union, max out the credit card, come back and double major. >> college certified. >> you try to flip this, say liberal colleges and universities and -- with debt, i don't understand where you're going.
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>> college tuitions has gone up hundreds of percent over time. >> kayleigh, if you were in a college class and the professor says there's more information i could give you, but you've got to bump up, pay us more to get to the elite level where there's a special class where a really good, another professor comes in, tells you more secret information. you tell me as college student -- >> people purchase a three day course. we have other courses. we have 24 hour memberships, people to consult you on real estate deals, people that will fly to where you are. there are additional perks with each level. you can look to up satisfied people. but i can tell you, american people want to talk about issues.
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>> described by these people, let me speak to what you're talking about, the personal. these are people that believed in donald trump and were trump supporters way before he was president. they were trump supporters in this wealth establishment that trump was going to deliver to them. so these are not the average trump haters out there. they got to this place because they so believed in donald trump and they feel duped and they got into these seminars, they were upsold from the very start.
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some were telling me you got to the first day of the three day seminar, you were already being told you can't learn everything in three days, you need more than three days, when you get to the five day seminar, you need a mentor when you get out there, you don't want to get all of this and not have a mentor, let's take you to the next step. they felt under pressure, pressure might be a different word. they felt they were drawn up, upsold to buy more and more and more. >> it was a business that started online. this was never supposed to be a
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live event seminar, started online and donald trump was approached with this idea and then they expanded it because they thought they were going to make a killing, for awhile they did make a killing. the problem is the real estate market died. >> and he is at the top, he is getting 20,000 pages of glowing reviews of his university that he essentially delegated. it was a success, many say it was a success. it is worth mentioning the lead plaintiff in the case in california had to be partially decertified because she claimed she was broke, leaving trump university making $300,000, and giving glowing reviews of the
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i think trump is a more colorful character than some of the other republican elected officials. but a lot of the story he's telling is entirely consistent with what folks are saying about me or the general story they have been telling about the economy for the last seven and a half, last ten, 20, 30 years. you can actually describe the story fairly concisely, right, that the basic story they tell is that the problems that the middle class working families are experiencing has to do with a big bloated government that taxes the heck out of people and then gives that money to undeserving folks, welfare cheats or 47% who are takers or, you know, whatever phrase they
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use, that businesses are strangled by over-regulation, that obamacare has killed jobs. and the fact of the matter is when you look at it, the government as a proportion of our economy is smaller under my presidency than under ronald reagan. >> president obama said earlier in the day he will be speaking out more once the economic nominee is set. sunlen serfaty reports. >> reporter: president obama is ready to get more involved in the 2016 fray.
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he did it today taking a not so subtle jab at donald trump. >> reporter: the president today making a symbolic return to elkhart, indiana. >> what's your name. >> reporter: the site of his trip -- >> folks across america need help now. they can't afford to keep waiting for folks in washington to get this done. >> reporter: five months from election day, the president is chomping at the bit to hit the campaign trail, ready to explode on the scene once the democrats have a nominee. he will do so with approval ratings above 50% and economic record to tout. over two terms in office, unemployment dropped to 5% while the economy added private sector jobs for 74 consecutive months.
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the biggest beneficiary of all this may well be hillary clinton who has made preserving the president's legacy a key part of her pitch to democratic voters. >> i'm really proud to stand with president obama and i am proud to stand with the progress he's made. >> reporter: while president obama is bringing the heat already against donald trump. >> a lot of proposals he has made display either ignorance of world affairs or a cavalier attitude. >> reporter: he held often dorising, but hasn't been shy in praise of his former secretary of state. >> she's extraordinarily experienced and wicked smart and knows every policy inside and out. >> reporter: joking at this year's white house correspondents dinner, a clinton
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victory in november is inevitable. >> next year, someone else will be standing here and it is anyone's guess who she will be. >> i think the president will back the nominee quickly, the president is one of the most important surrogates. >> reporter: sunlen serfaty, cnn, washington. >> back with the panel. dan pfeiffer, senior adviser to president obama, what role do you see president obama taking on the campaign trail? and do you see him focusing primarily on what he sees as hillary clinton's strengths or weaknesses? >> i think he has two roles. in the initial phase, he will play an important role to sanders voters and the fall is about turning out the obama coalition, voters that turned out for him, 2008, 2012, didn't turn out in 2010 and 2014. i think he will enjoy explaining why. >> secretary clinton has been
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campaigning hard on the record of the obama administration but in a general election where she needs to get independents, it is not clear how effected that might be. >> no, and it was very important to her in the democratic primaries to hug obama as close as she could and she did, and it helped her. if you look at the president's popularity ratings, the more the campaign has gone on, he is over 50% now. he is pretty popular in the country. won't be as much a problem for her with independents as it might have been a year or so
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ago. look at the economic numbers, people are feeling better. independents are going to say hillary clinton compared to what. it is going to depend how they view donald trump. right now that's kind of up to donald trump. >> it is interesting, we heard from donald trump, talked about that at the press conference where he was interacting with reporters. he was asked is this how it will be? he is like yeah, this is it. this is what you're going to get, runs counter to what he said in the primaries, i can change, my tone will be more presidential. i can be different things to
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different people. she also hasn't been great making a case for herself. and you have to give voters a reason to vote for you. her hope is trump will make himself offensive potentially to undecided voters. remember, we talk about what worked in the primaries and will that continue working. primaries were 20 million peoplish. this will be decided by another 100 million that are just
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getting to know trump in a different way. but i think it is the organic, off the cuff donald trump, he is honest and says what he thinks, and policy speeches. i think he needs to bring a little of the latter in. >> charles, have we seen a president who if that's how he is going to conduct press conferences as president, have we seen a president like that in quite some time? >> haven't seen a president like that. one of the pillars of democracy in this country, you can search the founders and speeches before the constitution was even drafted, giving impassioned pleas how important not to drift into tyranny because we would have a free press. after the ratification of the
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constitution and the first ten amendments, it was important and the court, the highest court consistently has come back and said it is really important to protect this. this is one of the things that makes america america. james baldwin probably put it best when he said i love america more than any country on this earth, that's why i demand the right to criticize it perpetually. the idea that anybody would have a chill win over the idea that you should be enter -- interrogated -- >> this does play well to the base of trump supporters and to kayleigh's point, the press scores low in public approval.
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>> there's a difference between attacking the press, which for republican politician good to rile up the base. standing on national television, calling someone a sleaze, scum bag, whatever he called the abc reporter, it is hard to -- trump needs to be in position where enough voters in enough states imagine him as someone that can sit behind the desk like barack obama, bill clinton, ronald reagan, george h.w. bush and make real decisions. when he looks childish, more likes a character on "the apprentice" than a president, he has to expand support to win. >> we have to take a break. the story of the boy dragged by the gorilla at the zoo. we will hear the 911 call and talk to a witness that saw it all happen. wanna drink more water?
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the family of the three-year-old boy that got into the enclosure at the zoo says the boy is doing well, and appreciate the support received. in the moment, we will hear an account from a witness, the 911 call. we want to play that first released of the little boy's terrified mom. >> cincinnati 911. >> my son is in the zoo with the gorilla. my son fell in with the gorilla, male gorilla. i need someone to start. >> we already have help started there, okay? >> be calm, be calm. be calm. he's dragging my son. i can't watch this. i can't -- i can't watch this.
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>> less than ten minutes after he got into the enclosure, zoo officials killed the gorilla. a witness heard a lot of it playing out and joins us on the phone. take us through what happened. what did you see? >> when i looked down, the child was just on the other side of the railing, then my husband jumped, it is a railing with three foot landing before there's a moat, and he didn't make it in time. >> just so i am clear, the boy wasn't in the enclosure when you first saw him, you saw him on the way there. >> yes. my son said what is he doing, a woman next to me yells whose kid
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is this? that's when my husband jumped over the railing, he was crawling. i couldn't tell you what his face looked like, i saw his little green shorts. never seen him land, but my husband, when he jumped over and looked down, he did see him, he said he hopped up immediately and ran to the corner. next thing that happened, i looked back to the right, and the mother is walking up and she says i hear her calling in the background like where's my son. she was saying like i was taking a picture, have you seen my son. she looked at my husband and said -- she said can you tell me if that little boy has green shorts, my husband looked over the side, he had to turn around and tell her yes. yes, he does. and at that moment the mother melted, she covered her face, started screaming, that's my baby, that's my baby. my husband was talking to the child, he said stay there, buddy, it is okay, help is coming.
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she looked back at my husband, she said you have to be my eyes, i can't watch this. my husband is like i am watching him, he is okay. at that time the gorilla comes down the moat and slams into the wall, the child is small and i think whenever the child went in, the gorilla was standing in attention in his little cave. took him awhile to figure out what is this thing here. he is going to check it out. he stands there, and then when he takes off with the child, that's when like check on my boys, turn around, you can see the moat. drag him through the moat. what you don't see is the part where he comes up on the far left side of the exhibit, brings him up on the right, has the little boy by the foot, he is dragging him, the little boy is being drug, seriously drug.
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i am not saying the gorilla had bad intentions or any intent to harm, doesn't matter. it is a 400 pound gorilla and 40 pound kid. my 11-year-old son sees this, he starts to scream, so i started to scream and at that moment i knew i couldn't handle it any more, i actually took my two little boys eyes and covered them, put them in my arm pits and ran out because we weren't helping. as the crowd builds and people started to scream, it was making the gorilla more agitated. >> i read something about there might have been a door down there. did you see that at all? >> my husband said there's a door, he made the comment like there's a door he is trying to get in, he thought the little boy was trying to get through the door. >> do you know, was the boy crying or screaming out at all? what we see is only what's on
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the video. i am trying to get a sense of what you could see or hear. >> he did go into intermittent spells of crying and then not crying. what people don't see before the gorilla shot, he is between his legs. people said he was calm, didn't seem to be hurt. if you would have seen that gorilla dragging this baby, this little precious face, bouncing off the rocks and he looks lifeless. he looked lifeless. we did not leave the zoo until we knew the little boy was okay, but i'll never forget it. it was horrific. no mother should ever have to watch that, regardless if he had intent to hurt or not. that child was not a baby gorilla, it was a child. you cannot endure this gorilla running across the rocks, dragging him by one foot while his little face is bouncing off the ground.
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when you see this child at the end, he is sitting between the legs and they say he is calm, he is concussed. my heart sank when i heard the gunshot and i didn't want him to die. >> i am so sorry for you and the family, traumatic for everybody there and for your kids as well. i appreciate you taking time to talk to us. >> no problem. s.w.a.t. teams at ucla campus. reports of an active shooter. # hundreds of students forced to hide in buildings. two people are dead. new details tonight. i couldn't sleep... so i couldn't get up in time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12-hour strength of aleve... for pain relief that can last into the morning. and now... i'm back.
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airliner. 66 people are on that flight from cairo. >> distinct sounds from the floor of the mediterranean sea could lead to the first substantial clues to what happened to egyptair flight 804. so far searchers have only retrieved scattered aircraft debris and human remains. not the main body of the plane. but a french naval ship with three underwater listening devices detected sounds investigators say belonged to the cockpit voice recorder or flight data recorder of the airbus 320. that's a sample of what signals from black boxes sound like. inside those boxes investigators hope to find answers to what brought down the plane. >> these are the four different channels from a cockpit voice recorder. first officers and one if there's a third crew member.
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we also have the cockpit area microphone. >> reporter: sarah mccomb runs the lab at the ntsb. the agency is not part of the investigation but is world renowned from its expertise in analyzing black boxes. this is the room where investigators listen to cockpit voice recorder audio. >> we certainly try to identify anybody who is speaking within the cockpit and whether or not that's another crew member from the back of the airplane who possibly comes in. and we all try to document any other sounds that the group can identify as part of normal cockpit operations. >> reporter: other sounds like a potential explosion. >> and listen to the recordings and then with the group around the table be able to start typing as the group agrees what they're hearing and type the transcript of the recording. >> reporter: that's one piece of the puzzle, the other will determine altitude, speed, and
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how systems were working. together, that information is a huge part of the puzzle. egyptair flight 804 from paris to cairo was at 37,000 feet when it lost contact above the mediterranean early may 19th. shortly before the aircraft was scheduled to exit greek air space and enter egyptian air space. it is unknown whether a bomb or catastrophic mechanical failure caused the plane to crash, killing all 66 people on board. to date, no terror group has claimed responsibility for bringing the plane down. >> rene marsh reporting. more on than the next hour. breaking news, admission that someone edited a state department briefing on secret talks between the u.s. and iran. and more on revelations on the trump university and how hillary clinton is trying to use that to attack her rival.
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